I have dead ends that I use as a means to mow corners, something Yarbo is not currently able to do. While working with my map I accidentally deleted one of my areas, forcing me to create the area again. After doing so, none of my dead ends work when add them to a work plan. Anything I can do besides redrawing all of them?
Correct. As with Pathways (and maybe Sidewalks? Don’t recall!), the start point no longer works when the Area from which it comes is deleted, even if you place another Area over that same spot. You orphan these things, essentially. Delete, re-map.
I found this out a few weeks ago as I was mapping and re-mapping a tough area for mowing. To “resolve” that, I finalized my Area first, then I mapped the Deadends.
If you delete an Area, the associated Pathways also get deleted, at least in the past, although I think I’ve seen it where they are orphaned as Deadends are. I think some of this is getting confusing and inconsistent and needs to be tightened up in the app.
I know that Yarbo is working on figuring out better handling of Areas and Pathways, especially in light of our winter-to-summer mapping scenarios. I’m waiting to see what comes of that and from there will see what additional changes will be helpful. This could address the orphaned Deadends/Pathways scenarios.
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If the user backed up the map, shouldn’t that restore to the prior state? Assuming he used backup and it’s recent?
The Save/Restore map feature saves/restores the map, no Settings, Work Plans, or Schedules. It’s not a full backup, as many of us found out when we planned to save a “winter/snowblower map” and clearing the existing map before starting our mower mapping and swap between the two maps seasonally.
Hey Ken, can you take a minute to talk about how ( To “resolve” that, I finalized my Area first, then I mapped the Deadends.) this resolves the orphaning of the deadend?
And thanks for bringing this up Jeremy, I’m about to place 100 or so deadends so that I can mow a steeper incline and this is pretty valuable information going forward. Maybe I need to think in terms of never deleting an area…at least for now. It clutters up the app, but at least no need to remap, in my case dozens or hundreds of deadends!
Tim
Apologies, @offgrid, for not being clear. It wasn’t really a “resolution.” What I meant was I made my final map of that Area so I wouldn’t be changing it anymore (after mapping and re-mapping about five times), THEN I created my Deadends to hang off it.
Two things:
- Give some love to the “Deadend Area” feature request post if you haven’t.
- There was a post in the last three or four days on FB or the Forum (I don’t recall) where someone very cleverly drew a fairly large square or rectangle Area with its right third to half on the slope and used the Spiral pattern. Because the rover mows counterclockwise, that side of the Spiral will be upward. Then it goes downward and across away from the slopey part. Will that work for you instead of drawing loads of Deadends?
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Great ideas @Ken! Thanks for the detailed info!
You could try making some pathways to each dead end from the area.
Speaking of DeadEnds, I had a fun one, today.
Make a DE that starts in an overlap.
Edit one of the overlap areas to NOT overlap.
Edit it back, to overlap again.
Upon running it, the Yarbo happily lined up at the start of that DeadEnd, turned around and ran it in reverse, lol.
Thank you to @ken for the timely explanation as to why that happened. I’ve been scratching my head on this one all morning, lol.
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Funny you should post that, @steve:
I don’t believe yours was my use case, but it’s the same result.
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I guess I can answer my own question. I was tweaking a map and inadvertently saved the wrong section. Restored the last saved backup and all “looked” OK. What I found in the current app release (3.15.1) is that while schedules were in fact lost, all work-plans were retained. So five minutes from my chair recreating the schedules is easy.
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Thanks Ken for the clarification and showing love to the Deadends post.
I’ve tested a lot of different Yarbo modes on my hills, and have used spiral mode ( a lot) for most of the hilly sections. But on steeper slopes, say >30 degrees, Yarbo wants to make micro turns, unless the area boundary is perfectly straight. On these turns it gets facing downhill, trying to go uphill. So…deadends are the only work around i’ve found to do the hill sections.
That or manual mode.
Note: Yarbo does tend to go counterclockwise…but not always!
Tim
@GeoffG - Work Plans were retained with restoring the map? What about Settings for Areas, Pathways, etc?
I haven’t tried save/restore map based on the reports from some users who tried it. I wonder if they misinterpreted what they saw?
@offgrid - If you need a straight border, start creating your rectangle/square Area with the Yarbo at the top right part of the slope and drive left, turn left and drive down the left side of the square/rectangle, left again to position the Yarbo straight down the slope from the start point, and click Next. If you have a 3-sided mapped item, clicking Next closes it with a straight line. No micro-turns.
Yarbo doesn’t always go counterclockwise…it’s clockwise around No-go Zones. 
(Ohhh how Bryan hates those words…sorry, man! LOL!)
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Just remember Ace Ventura… Laces out Dan! Left antenna (as you face the rear of the core) will always point away from the boundary line (perimeter and NGZ) when it’s executing an automated work plan.
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Well that works for one of the sides. For navigating hills, at least on my place, there are gonna be two sides on the hill. That might work for someone, but I’ve tried the one straight line on my hills and it’s the rest of the job that messes up mowing hills by making turns that mirror through on the non-straight sides.
Tim
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“Ace Ventura”, that’s hilarious!
Weellllll Alrightyyyyy thennnnn
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Yes AND no. When I posted my response the Work Plans were present, only the Schedules were gone. Last night when I checked the status on my iPad mini, the Schedules I re-entered were there but the work plans were gone. This morning, the Work Plans are gone. So clearly this is a sync timing issue with the cloud and you are correct - neither is saved when you restore a map. I was hoping a later software release may have corrected that.
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